antispin mit staff

Tschuldigung wenn ich aus Unwissenheit und Neugier dumm frage.:-))

Verstehe ich deine Zeichnungen richtig, das jede Farbe ein Ende das Stabes darstellt und ich versuche möglichst sauber den "Linien" zu folgen?
Wobei die teilweise eingezeichneten Dreiecke/Pfeillinien die Bewegungsrichtung des gesamten Körpers darstellen?

d.h. das ganze findet in der horizontalen Ebene (über dem Kopf?) statt?

da ich sowas noch nie auch nur gesehen habe.
Wie sieht das den aus? Sind die Geometrien (Fähigkeit vorausgesetzt :-)) zu erkennen, oder muß man dem Spieler vom Dach aus zuschaun.

Danke

omlamm

hey Gé,
these drawing and flash animation looks wicked
I'm not sure to have understood everything about the colours ..

Really like this one

The one with a pentacle instead of a triangle, looks great too .. but I didn't get anything.
These new complicated patterns seems mostly applicable to single staff at low speed, .. what do you think? Any trial yet?

gruss
Olive

Hi gé,
saubere Erkärung und sehr gut gemacht.
Jetzt kann auch ich als nicht Stabspieler damit was anfangen

Lg
jens

Danke, jetzt hab ich ne Vorstellung wie es funzt.
Wenn das Wetter etwas weniger windig und mglw wärmer wird werd ich zumindest mal mit Grundübungen, wie Hand im Dreieck bewegen anfangen:-)
Obwohl ich glaube, das ich da alleine nicht weit kommen werde.
Einer der zumindest sagt ob es auch ausschaut, ist sicher hilfreich :-))
Und wenn der/die es noch kann und Fehler sieht, ist bestimmt hilfreich :-))

nochmal danke

omlamm

ahh genau.

jetzt weiß ich was ich noch wissen wollte.
mein momentaner stab ist ca. 170cm auf ca. 2,5cm.

Für diese Antispin-geometrie-sachen brauch in nen kleineren/schmalerenStab, da ich nur mit einer Hand spiele?

thanks for the detailed answer, Gé
I haven't been playing much with these recently.
I had more play with fingerspin-less staves [lexicon]antispin[/lexicon], ie, more like what Meg's doing in her doubles video, or what Simian has been investigating.
btw> I've just posted a long boring rant on BCC about [lexicon]antispin[/lexicon] flowa & fingerspin.. check it out

nice to see u on net in germany

that is a beginning of a fusion between french and german spinners online !!!

if u make a topic in here it will be a premiere ** a sign of peace and love **

anyway on va sortir pour une session feu a stuttgart brr so see u in the light circles a bientot amigo del luz

ap

Hey Alpha I'll have to think well about the topic, before doing this première !
The fusion has already started
Here is the rant I've posted on BCC, it took me a while to write that shit (and I'm not sure it is readable !!)

[start unreadable rant ]
so to say it quicker, and according to Gé animation:
- move the middle of the staff on a triangle,
- one revolution of the staff by triangle side

degrees of freedom to control the damned thing:
- orientation of the triangle (vs gravity)
- speed of rotation of the staff ( what you fingerspin )
- speed of travel of your hand (what you slide / translate )

next question:
There is a relation between the two latter, isn't it? At least to have a good looking geometrical pattern.
I mean, I guess the overall pattern wouldn't look as good, if these two speeds are not in proportional relation to each others'

From a practical point of view:
this is how I control my two staff to make [lexicon]antispin[/lexicon] flowa (in general, not only for your drawing)
1. start up the system by making the staffs spin (ie set an initial rotational speed by fingerspin = the normal spin)
2. then control only by travel-speed/position of the hand

So how do I do step 2:
if the staff is inclined vs. the sliding [lexicon]direction[/lexicon], and if you quickly push or pull (ie the translation / sliding), this will make the staff rotates !

The created rotation is maximum when the staff is inclined 45° vs the [lexicon]direction[/lexicon] of sliding. Gravity wiill add/substract some forces, to highlight this, let us consider different positions:
- sliding [lexicon]direction[/lexicon] is vertical (along gravity): incline the staff 45° vs gravity, and move your hand up & down (of course the staff will accelerate more when you slide down due to gravity)
- sliding [lexicon]direction[/lexicon] is horizontal: incline the staff 45° vs [lexicon]horizontal[/lexicon] (or gravity ) and slide your hand forward and backward (the upper part of your green triangle)
- sliding [lexicon]direction[/lexicon] is inclined 45° vs. gravity: start with the staff [lexicon]horizontal[/lexicon] (therefore beeing inclined 45° vs sliding direction) and accelerate it along the inclined [lexicon]direction[/lexicon]

purpose of this method:
- that one reach proportionality between the 2 speeds (these 2 parameters will therefore be coupled)
- that one only do slides
Moreover, controlling only one parameter (the slides) will make it easier to
- drive the staff
- keep the two staff parallel (same as with [lexicon]Poi[/lexicon] when you do isolated [lexicon]antispin[/lexicon] flowa, and try to keep the two [lexicon]Poi[/lexicon] split-time)

How do you guys do yours?

next step:
to train to slide your hands on two angularly-offseted triangles, in order to reach the 6 edges Jewish star

Note:
1. it's easier to fingerspin in [lexicon]antispin[/lexicon] than in normal spin:
the inertia of rotation (centripetal forces/accelaration) will keep the staff in [lexicon]Contact[/lexicon] to your fingers in [lexicon]antispin[/lexicon], whereas in normal spin, the staff will try to go away from your fingers (ie drop). Moreover the [lexicon]Contact[/lexicon] forces to your fingers will be lower (less painful)

2. the staff will accelerate more easily if you fingerspin offseted from the center (hold the staff not on the middlepoint). When you do this, the [lexicon]Contact[/lexicon] forces between your fingers and the staff will - unfortunately - be proportionnaly increased (it hurts)
This mean the above practical description is not completely true, as when one fingerspin the center of rotation is moving a little bit around the center of the staff. Anyway "sliding only" is my purpose, I'm still compensating a bit by fingerspin in order to counteract the above problem, which creates some "hard points" ! (also depends on how many fingers you're using ... 3 is enougth I believe)
3. to do step 2 properly you need to control sliding acceleration (negative or positive, both will make the staff spins). So don't forget to brake !!

ps: I'm only talking about [lexicon]Double Staff[/lexicon] (single doesn't interest me)
it's easier to explain this in the Real world

@olive

in real please

and take 5 fingers cause u got 5 in each hand there is no argument to take less !!

Alpha> 3 is far more than enough but one can defenetly play with 4 or 5

Gé> where has your lovely flah animation disappeared??
didn't take the time to save it to my 'puter

olive check ur pm box

Meine Güte seid ihr alle durchgeknallt! (Das war ein kompliment :D) Ob ich mich jemals noch trau, mit Staff anzufangen?

lg

Ari