MdW: Same direction thru wrap

    • hm, also da der G. selbst die namen reingeschrieben hat, weiss ich jetzt auch nicht, was ich sagen soll. am besten wäre jemand schreibt auf holterpolter englisch (das ist er von mir gewohnt :smokin: ), um was es geht und er wird bestimmt sagen, was er sich dabei gedacht hat oder dass er es sich falsch gedacht hat bei dem ganzen stress die neuen moves zu benennen ;)
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    • na ja sagen wir so ein wraist [lexicon]wrap[/lexicon] ist auch kein richtiger [lexicon]wrap[/lexicon] und heißt trotzdem so ... im grunde wrapt man ja auch die schultern und den arm umeinander (für alle die die das spielen wollen und es nicht ganz geht =) )

      also wenn G den name gewählt hat dann bleib ich auch bei seiner version ...


      Also das ist ein Same [lexicon]direction[/lexicon] thru [lexicon]wrap[/lexicon]
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    • der ist auch nicht unfehlbar und freut sich bestimmt über feedback. die (er und nick und die anderen) hocken auf bali und machen den ganzen tag [lexicon]Poi[/lexicon], insofern diskutieren sie das bestimmt genaustens aus, wenn jem. das auf englisch zusammenfasst ;)

      gerne auch hier, dann mail ich auf den thread ;)
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    • ok ich versuchs mal

      Hi nick an G

      We are looking at the move and we have some questions about the name.

      Ok first i think its not a [lexicon]wrap[/lexicon] cause it looks more like an [lexicon]hipmill[/lexicon] in combination with some isolations. I would say its more an isolatet shouldermill. Some other user do agree that they do not see a [lexicon]wrap[/lexicon].

      But we also know a wraist [lexicon]wrap[/lexicon] isnt a [lexicon]wrap[/lexicon] at all but all call it a wraist [lexicon]wrap[/lexicon] (in my oppinion it is called a [lexicon]wrap[/lexicon] because u [lexicon]wrap[/lexicon] parts of your boddy around itself'')

      ok very bad english hop u understand what im asking :kopfkratz:
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    • so hat ein wenig gedauert, aber G: hat ausführlich geantwortet:

      Hi guys.

      Apologies for the late response, I've been trying to post a reply in the thread but keep being told I don't have authorisation hence Sam posting this for me.

      I came across this move when I was thinking about through wraps and decided I wanted to do through wraps with same [lexicon]direction[/lexicon] [lexicon]Poi[/lexicon]. Given that I was trying to keep the [lexicon]timing[/lexicon] symmetrical and a nice [lexicon]flow[/lexicon] to the move this is what I discovered. Having not been able to come up with a more suitable name at the time (not really understanding what was happening fully) I stuck with what I had been aiming for in the first place.

      Since then I've bumped into people who said it was more like half [lexicon]Snakes[/lexicon] (club move) Quicklink-ID: 2736
      but let's start to break down the move and look at what's actually happening. Right, so what is a through [lexicon]wrap[/lexicon]. Well it seems to me that there are two main factors from looking at video 3043. The [lexicon]Poi[/lexicon] [lexicon]wrap[/lexicon] around the shoulder/upper arm (hence the [lexicon]wrap[/lexicon] part) and the crossing from front to back and vice versa (or through part) is manipulated and controlled by your shoulders. i.e. the shoulders become the pivot point of the circle.

      Looking at what I have done it obvious that the first part of this definition is not being adheard to as the [lexicon]Poi[/lexicon] are not wrapping around my arm, however, I would encourage you to go and play with some through wraps in all there variations and see if you can make each one of them [lexicon]wrap[/lexicon]. The second part is definitely happening though. As the [lexicon]Poi[/lexicon] come into my body my arms are folded at the elbow leaving the pivot point at my shoulders which control the movement from in front to behind.

      There is, however, one more thing happening in this move which probably arrived through muscle memory or what felt natural. There is a certain amount of [lexicon]isolation[/lexicon] that happens as the [lexicon]Poi[/lexicon] circle from in front to behind and vice versa. This felt much nicer than locking my hand against my shoulder and allowed the move to be more fluid. The [lexicon]Poi[/lexicon] isolate with the shoulder as the centre point/point of [lexicon]isolation[/lexicon] meaning that the pivot point controlled by your shoulder is not a solid object like the handle of the [lexicon]Poi[/lexicon] but a virtual point of isolation...

      ...

      ... Well that all sounds far more complicated than it actually is. Unfortunately I'm no closer now than I was last year to coming up with an appropriate name for it. Technically it's something like same [lexicon]direction[/lexicon] [lexicon]Poi[/lexicon] in [lexicon]split time[/lexicon] rhythm doing [lexicon]same time[/lexicon] shoulder reels with [lexicon]isolation[/lexicon] but that wouldn't fit in the title bar. I am open to suggestions for naming this move and would be happy to change it on the site if we could come to some agreement as to what it is.

      Thanks for watching :)

      G.
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